Did Donald Trump Call Italy’s President ‘Mozzarella’?

Critics of the president seized on two supposed gaffes in October 2019. But what did Trump actually say?

  • Published 17 October 2019

Claim

In October 2019, U.S. President Donald Trump called Italy's president 'Mozzarella' and claimed the U.S. and Italy had been allies for thousands of years.

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Origin

In October 2019, U.S. President Donald Trump’s public appearances with his Italian counterpart, Sergio Mattarella, gave rise to a veritable explosion of viral claims that Trump had butchered his guest’s name, referring to him as “President Mozzarella.” Widely shared memes also claimed that Trump had said the United States and Italy had been allies since the era of ancient Rome. 

 

 

  

Notably absent from the many social media posts that expressed a mixture of glee and horror at Trump’s supposed “Mozzarella” gaffe was any video footage. The reason for that absence was that the president never actually referred to his Italian counterpart as “Mozzarella.” 

Analysis

Trump and Mattarella held three public events together on Oct. 16: They spoke to the press before their bilateral meeting at the Oval Office; held a press conference; and spoke at a reception in the evening. Video footage is available of all three events.

We watched those three events in full and found no instance in which Trump referred to Mattarella as “President Mozzarella.” By contrast, Trump uttered the Italian president’s last name correctly on four occasions:

 

 

Furthermore, Trump never actually claimed that the United States and Italy had been allies since the era of ancient Rome, something that would clearly be wrong because the U.S. was only founded as an independent nation in 1776, and Italy was only unified in the 19th century, becoming a republic in the 1940s. 

What Trump actually said, in his opening remarks during the press conference, was as follows:

“The United States and Italy are bound together by a shared cultural and political heritage dating back thousands of years, to ancient Rome …”

  

Trump said the two countries share a political and cultural heritage, and that that heritage dates back thousands of years. He did not claim that the two countries have shared an alliance for thousands of years — something that would have required both nations to exist as polities during the era of the Roman Empire, which clearly neither did. 

The phrase “dating back thousands of years” evidently caused many commentators to misunderstand the meaning of Trump’s remarks. But it’s the heritage that goes back that far, not the binding of the two nations. 

The influence of the Roman Republic on the formation and principles of the American Republic is well-documented, and Trump’s point was historically sound. 

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