Claim: "Obamacare" mandates that no one over 75 will be given major medical procedures unless approved by an ethics panel.
Examples[Collected via e-mail, March 2012]
I had one of the most troubling, most disturbing conversations with Dr. Suzanne Allen, head of emergency services at the Johnson City Medical Center in Tennessee. We were discussing the "future" and I asked her had she seen an affects of Obama Care in her work?
"Oh, yes. We are seeing cutbacks throughout the services we provide. For example, we are now having to deal with patients who would normally receive dialysis can no longer be accepted. In the past, there was always automatic approval under Medicare for anyone who needed dialysis — not anymore." So, what will be their outcome? "They will die soon without dialysis," she stated.
What about other services? She indicated as of 2013 (after the election), no one over 75 will be given major medical procedures unless approved by locally administered Ethics Panels. These Panels will determine whether a patient receives medical treatment or not.
While details on specific operating procedures and schedules, Dr. Allen points out that most life-threatening emergencies do not occur during normal hospital business hours, and if there are emergencies that depend to be resolve within minutes or just few hours, the likely hood of getting these Panels approval in time to save a life are going to be very challenging and difficult, if not impossible she said.
This applies to major operations such as receiving stents, bypass surgery, kidney operations, or treating for an aneurysm that would be normally covered under Medicare today. In other words, if you needed a life-saving operation, Medicare will not provide coverage anymore after 2013 if you are 75 or over. When in 2013? "We haven't been given a specific date — could be in January or July — but it's after the election."
This is shocking to any of us who will be 75 this year. Her advice — get healthy and stay healthy. We do not know the specifics of the actual implementation of the full Obama Care policies and procedures — "they haven't filtered down to the local level yet. But we are already seeing severe cuts in what we provide to the elderly — we refused dialysis to an individual who was 78 just the other day, we refused to give stents to a gentleman who was in his late 80s." Every day, she said, we are seeing these cutbacks aimed at reducing care across the board for anyone who is over 75.
We can only hope that Obama Care will be overturned by the Supreme Court — otherwise, this is a death sentence to those who are over 75. Perhaps you should pass this on to your friends who are thinking of voting for Obama this year.
Regardless if you have private health care coverage now (I have Aetna Medicare Part B) — it will no longer apply after 2013 if the Ethics Panels disapprove of a procedure that may save your life. Scary, scary, scary. Think about this? You? Your parents? Your loved ones?
Didn't know about it? Of course, not. As Nancy Pelosi said, "well, if you want to know what's in the bill, you'll have to pass it." Two years after it was passed, most people still do not know fully what is in the bill.
This is a graphic reminder of the need to stay healthy. Get your plot now at Forest Lawn, while they last. Is this a death sentence to those of us who will reach 75? Yes!
Forget about getting to age 75, this exact thing happened to me this morning at Danbury hospital here in Ct. I was scheduled for a
cardio-lite stress test. This is a tread mill stress test where during the process they inject nuclear dye into your blood stream and then put you in a CAT scan or something similar and take a picture of your heart. If all is good, the heart shows up red, if there are blocked arteries anywhere that portion of the heart shows up pink. I have had three of these tests in the past twelve years due to blocked arteries discovered in 2000. They use the test to determine if I need a roto-rooter or a bypass operation. So I arrive at the hospital at 8am this morning and I am in the process of checking in at Cardiology and the lady says that my appointment has been cancelled. She makes a call and speaks with someone and hands me the phone. It is a nurse in cardiology who says that my medical coverage denied the procedure. I said it was routine, part of my heart maintenance process and ordered by my PCP and with approval from my Cardiologist who is the head of Danbury Cardiology which is right where I was standing. She goes, "yes but we were denied our request". So I say, I have Medicare so what is my backup insurance doing denying anything. Then the bombshell, she says it was the Medicare board that denied the procedure. At that point, I turn to everyone behind me, and it was a long line, and I say to them "well you won't have to wait too long today because my stress test procedure was just cancelled by a Medicare Death Panel. I am only 67 so can you imagine what is going to happen when we really get old". The entire waiting room and everyone there from patients to staff just went dead silent. So I turn to the front desk and tell them, " I guess I will have to write a letter to the editor of the Danbury News Times and call my Senators and Congressman and let them know the Death Panels have already convened". Then I walked out. By the time I got home the message machine was blinking. My PCP had already
called and so did the hospital and guess what, Medicare decided to approve my stress test procedure and if I could get back down to the hospital they would fit me in right now for this 3 hour procedure. I told them I couldn't make it, that I was going fishing because I didn't know how many more fishing trips I could get in before I went into cardiac arrest but not to worry about me costing the government any money because I am a 30% disabled Army veteran, due to Agent Orange poisoning which is
what caused this heart problem to begin with, and I qualify to be buried for free in a plain pine wrapper in the cheap graves section at any National Cemetery..."
I was talking last night (Sunday) with my son-in-law's brother who is a
Neurosurgeon at Emory Hospital in Atlanta , which, if you are not
familiar with it, ranks up there with the finest hospitals in the country.
A group of non-doctors, from 'our' (????) country's Department of Health
arrived last week at Emory for a two day session and is on their rounds
around the country to make sure every hospital fully understands the new
rules (which start in December (after the elections) concerning treating
all patients over 70 years of age.
You heard of the death squads early on after Obamacare was passed and many
people claimed it was not true and that people were
misquoting what was in the bill. Well if you believed this you are wrong.
This group informed the staff Emory and all the doctors present that they
will very soon not be allowed to operate on anyone over 70 (no matter how
urgent or life threatening the situation is), without first having it
approved by a board of eight doctors. Failure to comply
will result in a huge financial burden to the hospital and more than
likely the doctor will lose his/her ability to practice medicine anywhere
in the country.
This board is to be established at every hospital in the country and the
board members will only work eight hours a day. We will
discuss this a little later on as the DOH group almost got lynched at this
point by the doctors who were present.
This board of doctors will not be made up of active doctors. All the
doctors must be retired - and may even be retired up to 30 or 40
years. Further, Obamacare sees no need or requirement for them to be
skilled in surgery. Another very vocal argument broke out here as these
doctors likely may not even be aware of what advancements have taken place
in surgery over the last 5-10 years nor what is going today as well.
Also, anyone who has ever been a doctor can serve on these boards. For
example, Individuals with skills only in pediatrics, podiatry,
dermatology, etc., may be making decisions as to whether a brain operation
is required or not.
The point that got the Emery doctors so upset originally was that the
"Death Board" will be available on 8 hours during the day. And
once their 8 hour shift is up, they may have to wait 16 hours to get in
touch with them and another hour or two or three to get a decision and
permission to operate.
But they daily have cases in which it is crucial to operate within 30
The staff at Emory Hospital will be coordinating with other hospitals and
together they will make a concerted effort to bring about significant
changes to this portion of Obamacare.
When the question was raised from the floor by a young doctor as to
whether doctors had to get permission to operate on congressmen
and/or future members of the executive branch who would later be over 70,
the answer was, "Of course not!"
When the same young doctor asked, "Why not." They refused to answer.
Variations: A Canadianized version of this item transformed Dr. Suzanne Allen into the "head of emergency services at the Wilson Medical Center in Toronto."
Origins: Long before the passage of the health care reform legislation commonly known as "Obamacare," and continuing long afterwards, rumors have circulated claiming that the legislation mandates the creation of ethics
panels (or "death panels") which will determine who is deemed worthy of medical treatment, or that patients over a given age simply be denied essential medical treatment as a matter of course. The item reproduced above is another false rumor of that ilk, one which claims (citing a doctor at the Johnson City Medical Center in Tennessee as a source) that as of sometime in 2013, patients over the age of 75 will no longer be given major medical procedures "unless approved by locally administered Ethics Panels."
According to a representative for Johnson City Medical Center (Ed Herbert, Vice President, Mountain State Health Alliance Communications and Marketing), the substance of the message is untrue, and the related conversation did not take place as stated:
While dramatic in nature, the conversation [above] is not true. The originator of the email was a guest in Dr. Suzanne Allen's home. He is using Dr. Allen's name and that of Johnson City Medical Center (JCMC) to wrongly promote his political position. Another issue is that Dr. Allen, who the blog names as [someone in a position of] ER leadership or more, is one of our incredibly skilled and caring ED physicians in the level I trauma center/Emergency Department at JCMC, [but is] not in any leadership role. She was very upset that the individual would fabricate a conversation about healthcare reform and use her name to add credibility to his position.
The statements attributed to Dr. Allen were not said, the statements about Johnson City Medical Center are not true. The healthcare reform law, according to Dr. Allen, does not change the way in which she cares for her
patients. From a hospital point of view, if there has been any effect from the healthcare reform law, it has been increased access for patients.
No such denial is necessary to debunk this item, however. The simple fact is that, repeated spurious claims to the contrary notwithstanding, no provision of the "Obamacare" health care legislation mandates or authorizes the creation of "ethics panels" to determine which patients should or should not receive various medical treatments, based on their age or any other criteria.
Dr. Jill Vecchio, a Colorado radiologist, made a similar claim (captured in a YouTube video) that women over 74 years of age would not be able to receive mammograms under Obamacare. However, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act includes no such restriction; it echoes the United States Preventive Service Task Force recommendation that breast cancer screening be performed every 1-2 years for women aged 40 and older.